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The boards by the dam are controlled by the City Public Works employees and the level is dictated by the DNR. However, a call to City Hall can verify the level of the lake and if boards need to be put back in. I will contact the Public Works Director on Monday and have him check.
Oh my God! By Monday it may be too late! Has everyone forgotten what happened to Lake Delton last year....Oh, the devastation! We'd better check the level to make sure we still have the deepest inland lake in the state...I'd hate to get nailed for false advertising.
The level is low. If you go to this website and compare last year to this year. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/wi/nwis/uv/?site_no=434928088553601&PARAmeter_cd=00065
The Director of Public Works seems to have his own agenda on this. Nobody else seems to have any say. What about the guy that has taken care of this for several years before McCarty came in. We never had any trouble before. I am sure that Mr. McCarty will be glad to take your calls when you can't get your boat on or off your lifts or trailers.PUT THE BOARDS IN!!
The quality of a good leader is one who knows how to delegate. If Glen McCarty does not keep an eye on the lake level himself, he should have somebody (qualified) to make sure this is closely monitered.
Since when has the Green Lake community cared about "good leaders"? i.e. schools, chamber, city etc.
We don't want to become another Lake Geneva!
Thank the leadership for being responsible and operating a lower lake level than last year to prepare for a wet spring. It appears to me based on what info. is available on-line that we were above permit levels at this time last year. Duh!
An at a boy to the dam guy!
He must protect the dam at the expense of a few boaters!!
I talked with Glen McCarty today about the lake level. We are where we need to be according to DNR mandates. Of course, the lake level was much higher in 2008 with the spring rains and further issues with flooding. We are 5 inches above the minimum level and 5 inches below the maximum level, which means we are in the middle of the range set by the DNR for this time of the year. Glen indicated some boards will be put in today. There is no personal agenda! This is always a judgement call based on weather reports and their past experience. Please don't blame Glen when he is just doing his job along with our other good public works employees. They always have their eye on the lake level. Their first priority is to protect the City as best they can.
I saw someone putting in boards today about 12:30.
For crying out loud is everthing a bitch fest. The lake level is checked every week day by the DPW and they follow the DNR's guidelines. What do you all want the City fined by the DNR because you want things your way. Talk to the people before you start talking about personal agendas and other crap. You can check websites and all that other stuff but the Data is not current, it is weeks behind. If you are so worried about the lake level there is a water height indicator next to the dam get up off your butt and check it before you eyeball it from your car or porch.
Give them a break the DPW does a good job and they never seem to get a atta boy. So here's your chance. Glen, Bill, Kieth, and Jason: Good job keep it up.
Green Lake Resident and Taxpayer
I agree.
There are DNR guidelines about what height the lake is supposed to be at. And that is the levels the City is supposed to maintain. Not the level the west end shoreline wants. The DNR have changed the pier length rules so you can now make your piers long enough to reach deeper water. It's is a guessing game. For every inch of rain we get the lake raises about 2 inches. Depending on the time of the year and how saturated the gound is.
The lake is and has been for a long time above the height recommended by the DNR (about 5+ inches on average for the past 6 or 7 years).
The only time it has been below average was when we had a very dry summer a few years ago.
And just so you a correctly informed the Dam is the responsibility of Emergency Management not the DPW so stop making it appear like the DPW is not doing their job.
Thanks,
Fed up with the misinformed
Please stop with all this factual information! It is confusing to us on the blogsight who would rather deal with conjecture and rhetoric. As if this town doesn't have enough problems...now we have to address the topic of 'water boarding' right here in Green Lake.
The question still needs to be answered...
Can we, or can't we, still advertise as the "deepest inland lake in Wisconsin"? We need the Charter School Lake Studies team to get active on this before we run into legal issues (Hmnn...the school is well versed in 'all things legal).
Not to make waves but, I think this shows just how shallow our community is that we allow ourselves to be divided by a couple of inches of water. This whole situation is starting to smell a little fishy and shows how deeply divided this community is!
To whomever is responsible to monitor the lake, be it the DPW, Emergency Management, or the little blond girl and 3 bears..Thanks for keeping us 'not too deep, and not too shallow...but, JUST RIGHT'! It seems the lake level might be one of the few things that actually is 'right' about this community.
Well if Glen McCarty would keep his nose out of it and leave it to the person that was controlling it , maybe we would not have this problem of who is in control of the Lake...
Sorry to break it to you folks, but Green Lake is not the deepest inland lake in Wisconsin.
Lake Wazee in Jackson County is over 100 feet deeper than Green Lake and has been for over twenty years. It's an abandoned quarry, so Green Lake can be called Wisconsin's deepest natural inland lake.
Just rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it?
C'mon Paul...you had to go and cause a new controversy. With the completion of our recent elections there were no issues left to address here in our peaceful, content, "happily ever after" little community. And now this! I say, Lake Wazee, Lake Schmazee!!!
I'm going to suggest an ad hoc committee to address this issue. I say put in the boards, dig the lake deeper, add more water...We need to investigate this immediately.
It shames me to say that I now live in a community that is a distant second to a freakin' quarry (and a quarry with a real Native American name...Those Ho-Chunks certainly came up with some good ones!)
To the person who feels Glen McCarty should keep his nose out the of the lake level - Glen is the Director of Public Works for the City. It is his job to know about this information. It is ultimately his responsibility, more so than the employees who may actually handle the work being done. As a council member and citizen, I want to know Glen is doing his job.
Abandoned quarry is not a lake. Just a swimming hole. Green Lake IS the deepest inland lake period. You don't have to say natural.
Of course Glen should know what's going on with the lake level, I am sure that what he is supposed to. Let's put an end to this McCartyism stuff. Let's all of us do our jobs to the best of our abilities. I saw boats on the lake today, all is well.
Green Lake is certainly the "largest and deepest inland lake" in the State. Anyone dispute that?
I hit a pothole on Cty Road A the other day that had some water in it. By the way my tire 'thumped' when I went through it, I would guess it was pretty deep (I think there were actually whitecaps on the water before I drove through). Maybe somebody should go and measure it to see if Green Lake is now only the 3rd deepest inland lake in the state.
Sorry people, from the pictures found here: http://www.co.jackson.wi.us/html/forestry/scuba.htm
one can plainly see that Lake Wazee is deeper. Being an abandoned iron strip mine it is very large in size too (see map:) http://cavdvr.tripod.com/wazee1.htm
Lake Wazee is recognized as the Deapest inland lake in Wisonsin. Therefore we must qualify Big Green Lake as the Deapest Natural Inland Lake in Wisconsin.
Amen to Paul and Diver Down. Green Lake needs to get over itself.
Having a deep lake is not an accomplishment. It simply means the lake is slimy and cold most of the year. Nobody is going to put us on a stamp for that.
What would be an accomplishment for Green Lake is unveiling a new business that actually stays in business. Or electing seven School Board members who don’t get booted out.
Ok all you lake worriers....there is a measuring stick on the outflow of the dam that was measured everyday when Bradley was Director of Public works and the DNR and everyone else involved all agreed that the level on that was the final word whether to add boards or not. Bradley added and took off boards on a regular basis according to that reading and he was there every day/week looking at it. I have NEVER seen anyone, including Glen down there reading it! There need to be 2 boards on right now and they should have been put in a month ago!!!! Donna, tell Glen to start reading the measure on the dam! That is why it is there!
Bradley also lied about our drinking water tests. I would not give that puss any credit!
I agree that Bradley was unethical about other parts of his job, but the lake levels were handled and the boards were constantly moved due to the readings.
Way to go, city gal, tell them like it is.
How would anyone know when a city employee checks the water level. Are you standing near the dam each and every minute? How can anyone make a statement like that! How do you know what Bradley did every day? Who cares about Bradley, he is history and did a lot of damage according to the information stated in our local papers.
Just so you know how the City works, we do not measure the lake levels physically any longer. Technology allows us to daily check four levels, Highway A incoming flow, the City of Berlin's water level, Town of Brooklyn's bridge level and our own dam level. This is done using the on-line USGS system. The City needs to comply to our permit. We cannot put the City in jeopardy by ignoring our permit to make some folks happy. If you have issues with the level and truly want to understand this process, please call Glen McCarty to get an explanation of our system and how we comply to our mandates. It serves no purpose to complain about our city employees when you do not take the time to get the facts.
Are the lake levels measured in inches, centimeters, fathoms or leagues? What time of day are the readings taken? What kind of training does it take to read a lake level? What is rain is expected? What if big boats are displacing the water? How many dead mobsters are on the bottom of the lake? Are they wearing cement shoes?
This blogsite is so much fun! Now that we have exhausted all possible aspects of this particular topic, let's find another subject to beat to death with a stick.
To quote the infamous Dean Wermer from Animal House; "Fat, Drunk and Stupid is No Way to Go Thru Life Son"..
Reading This Blog Sheds alot of Light as to Why Our Town is Floundering.
Get a Grip People, We have more serious problems than worrying about dam boards and attacking employees personally.
We'll see if you still feel that way when someone (not sure who that might be) takes the boards out (without anyone knowing/realizing it) and one day we wake up and the lake (Yes, THE LAKE) is gone. Keep it up and it will happen.
Scary...very scary.
...then we could find all of the dead mobsters from the 20's and 30's, the sunken boats, and the lost tackle boxes with old jitterbugs and daredevils galore! This could be the "goldmine" that we need to attract tourists to Green Lake!
And just think of all the new real estate this would create! I can see it now, the Estates of Green Lake! Finally ,someone has a vision for securing our future...
Hey Mr Spock, what happens if you wake up some morning and the downtown is gone? Scary, very scary. Oh thats right, the town is GONE.
Once the courthouse moves out it will be the immediate demise of G.L. The timing will be perfect with the closing of North Lawson. Green Lake will be bypassed. Like someone said earlier, we don't want to become another "Estates of Lawsonia".
Highly Illogical to think that we could ever be another Lake Geneva or Elkhart Lake...those communities seem to have something to offer tourists. We're becoming more like the Dells AFTER all the water drained out of Lake Delton!
Mud boating anyone?
I thought the lake level was controlled by the emergency government director? Why is public works fooling with it at all? As I recall the last water emergency/flood we had, the mayor and public works manager were Missing in Action. We don't want to become another Lake Delton.
Hey, didn't you hear? While the tourists have gone elsewhere, the bloggers are schooling to Green Lake and spawning in the storm sewers! Yikes!
...at least something is thriving in Green Lake, spawn away, bloggers!
The lake level would only come under the emergency management director-Bill Wagner's direction, when there is an emergency situation. Day to day operations are the responsibility of the Green Lake Public Works Department.
Watch out for the EVIL CABAL.
Donna,
What imaginary ordinance did you get that one from???? Emergency management has taken care of the dam for years without any problems.
No boards out!!! Let the level rise up to where it should be!
ok, I think I know who the evil cabal are! It has to be 3 people, right? Could it be the 3 who forced the tie votes to be broken by the Mayor? Oh, what excitement!
City Gal you are very astute.
I noticed that the boards came out yesterday,mon. April 27....well, what the heck is going on? The lake level was finally getting to where it should be and now it will be low again. Hey, Donna, for 20 years the levels have been higher and why are they lower in the last 2 years? Can you find out? Something has changed with the way they are measuring. Help! Please!Why did the boards come out? We needed the rain to raise the levels.
Donna, where are you? You are the only go to gal around. glfisherman needs your help...Hey Shadow....I was right! Do I win a prize? Is it money? Do you wear a mask? Do we know who the Shadow is?
I like your style city gal. Keep asking questions. We need to keep the city honest. Your prize is a wonderful transparent place to live.
All I can tell you is the City is measuring four areas daily and the lake level is where the DNR mandates we must be to hold our permit. I cannot speak to years ago since I have only been on the council five years and this subject was never discussed in the past.
I have seen all the monitored reports and know Glen McCarty is doing the job that is required of him.
Enough already about the boards...The real new question now is Who is the Shadow? I think we should all try to find out! We could make it the biggest newsmaker ever and then it could become the mystery of Green Lake and bring all kinds of tourists here!!!! The Shadow is lurking in Green Lake...kind of like the Loch Ness Monster! Look at the publicity that got!!! What do you think everybody?
I have been conducting clandestine investigations and have come up with a solution to save the city of Green Lake. Stop all unecessary expenditures and use the money to hire an experienced city administrator. Mike Havey said we need a go-to-guy. I agree.
The Shadow is right! We need a professional city administrator. I vote for you, Shadow...hey, who are you? You may be just what we need.
I agree. The Shadow has good ideas.
This city...unnecessary expenditures? This is one of the most fiscally responsible city governments to ever exist.
Hmnnn...Could some of the money we taxpayers spend on GLSD be considered 'unnecessary' expenditures? I know it is not in the city budget but since it is on our property tax bills could elimination of wasteful spending at the school allow us the finances to bring in a paid city administrator??
Just a thought since I read in the Ripon paper (no, it wasn't in our wonderful GL Repeater) that GLSD will need referendums to cover a $1.9 Million dollar shortfall for the 2010-2012 school years. Ok...so the school can't operate within budget and we have to vote to cover almost $2 million in additional expenses. Is this above and beyond the repairs needed to the roof and the HVAC system?
In the article Ken Bates states: Every district that isn't growing knows that it's going to be facing a referendum. IF IT ISN'T GROWING THEN WHY DO WE NEED AN EXTRA $2 MILLION TO RUN IT??? Cut costs, cut administrative expenses (hint: Tracy, Kneser, Hauer, combine administrative positions, etc.). Get with the times and tighten the belt a few notches...weather the financial storm and regroup when it get's better.
But yes, let's hire a professional city administrator with the extra money that can be culled through better budgeting! Sounds good on paper.
The sound-off letter about the bridge on South Lawson in the Green Lake Reporter and the blog message from City Gal has it incorrect. The City requested stimulus dollars from the state to fix both bridges (built before 1930) and money to redo South Lawson Drive which has had drainage issues since the City took the street over from the state many years ago. What would happen to our City if one of these bridges failed in the near future? We are trying to be proactive here! The City has had the bridges inspected and the suggestion was to replace them when we could afford to do so. We jumped at the chance to get stimulus money since the state has received money from the federal government.
I personally have lived here eight years and this is not a personal agenda for me. However, I do represent district three citizens and they would appreciate the bridge being raised so they can get their boats under the bridge early in the spring, should any rebuilding occur.
Think about any new development that might occur at the County Court house and safety building. Wouldn't if be great for boat traffic to use the Canal Street landing and possibly park their boats at a Millpond pier so more people could get into our downtown in the future? Boaters are always asking for more space to park. Business people are begging for new customers. We need to think long range and not just want to stay like we have been since the sixties. Many citizens want "no change" but that also means no new businesses and no new revenue to fix anything in this city. We have streets that are crumbling and sewer and water mains that need replacing.
If anyone thinks it is easy working on the City budget, I would love to see you at our budgeting meetings this fall. It was an eye opener for me five years ago when I decided to start serving on the council.
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