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Thursday, September 18, 2008
The School
Yikes. It looks like we need some room for the school issues. Here it is. I am almost tempted to start its own blog. If Ken Bates reads this, as I suspect he does he should probably start a blog for the school. It could be linked in here very easily. Mostly I have found open forums like a blog make certain people uncomfortable. They just want all of you "voices" to go away. Including me quite often.
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It will be interesting to see if the school gets their fair share of property from Limdenwood at the meeting tonight.
Their fair share? It's not the school's land to begin with. The school should be happy to get any part of it for free. It’s nobody’s business but Lindenwood’s what to do with their own land. What business does the school have demanding a chunk of it? It baffles me that the county is forcing the developer to give away acreage.
The concepts of green space and aspects of public or community space are common features of a large sub-development.
Especially when a mature tract of forest on a slope adjecent to a lake shore is cut, graded, and developed.
I think what 'anonymous' was trying to say by "fair share" was...let's see if the school gets what they were promised as part of the plat approval.
What is the meeting tonight where this will be discussed/decided?
It is not a matter of a promise.
By county ordinance, 10% of this development land MUST go to public use, i.e., to the county, the township, the school.
How ridiculous that the government should force a developer to give some of his land away just because the school "wants it."
So would the school actually own the property, or simply have rights to use it for educational purposes? The concept of forest land for teaching is excellent in my opinion. Too bad that more of Lawsonia could not be preserved for future generations (like all of it).
How large will the lot be? Who will pay the taxes on it?
to cat and mouse -
There is nothing baffling about any developer giving part of the development lands for community use. Experienced developers know that good schools are critical to success and that an opportunity to have an innovative ecology lab as part of the development would be a huge selling point for any development. Also, experienced developers understand the importance of community and that supporting local institutions, like parks and schools, is one of many ways developers can make sure that their development and the people who buy into it become welcomed and integrated into the community. It's actually a win-win.
Sorry, but being forced to give land to the school would not be a "huge selling point" for the Lindenwood development. Why would a future home-buyer care about that? These aren't going to be homes for new families that live here permanently. They're homes for wealthy couples buying second or third homes, most likely without children to even use this school space.
It's pretty audacious of the school to essentially demand part of the Lindenwood land and then get picky about the acres offered. It's even more irritating when some people say things like "experienced developers understand the importance of community" bla bla bla. It's not the school's land to grab, and the government shouldn't force it. The school has no business meddling in what happens at the Lindenwood site. It's private property.
If the developer would choose to give some land away on his own accord, fine, but he shouldn't be forced just because the school has some "vision" to carry out.
Then the developer should not come to Town of
Brooklyn looking for municipal bonds for infrastructure.
Large developments don't happen in a vacuum. Lindenwood is going to cost the tax-paying public something; the public should get something back.
The law is the law and the Developer should abide by it, even thou he has acted like he does not have to this past couple years!
Cat and Mouse, it seems you have no vision for a better tomorrow. The school is not asking for prime lakefront property, it just wants a little slice of woods to nurture the hearts and minds of our youth.
For you to say "these aren't going to be homes for new families that live here permanently. They're homes for wealthy couples buying second or third homes, most likely without children to even use this school space." How nice that you have a crystal ball and can see these things! While many of these homes might be second or third homes for wealthy couples, some of them might be year-round homes. They are building a new hospital in Ripon, and this will attract new doctors, where do expect them to live? Many of the people who own homes on the lake live here year round. But none of that has any bearing on the fact that green space is required in the development. Did it occur to you that many wealthy people with several homes are very family- oriented and have children and grandchildren that spend time with them and also happen to have an appreciation for nature? If the school does this project right, it will be a learning place for the entire community. If Tom Eddy has anything to do with it, I am fully confident that it will be a very worth-while undertaking.
You are very narrow-minded and cynical to think this isn't "fair". What isn't fair is that the beautiful estate of Lawsonia is being bastardized for money because the idiots who have been running it these past decades have done a horrible job and have lost money instead of running at a profit like they used to. That's what isn't fair. Victor Lawson must be rolling over in his grave.
The Lindenwood development is there for full time housing with families and children in need of a school system. The site will offer modest priced homes as well as high priced lake homes. I have met the people from Lindenwood and they are very nice. I am sure they will be very professional and honest to deal with. All you naysayers should get off your asses and get out and greet these people, instead of spreading untrue gossip about them. I now know where your favorite fishing hole is. I am watching you.
I want to thank stinky cheese for the fine message he gave. Telling it like it REALLY is!
Wow, apparently certain people don’t like me sharing an opposing point of view, regardless of how reasonable it is. So once again:
Green Lake School, you have no business meddling in the Lindenwood project. It’s tacky to stick out your hand as if the developer owes you something. It’s even more tasteless to try and choose what land you should get after the developer already offers several acres. For the billionth time, this is private land, not yours to claim for some glue and macaroni school project. I don’t care what the county laws say. The government has no right to force a developer to give away land just because it will make the school feel important. It’s a private subdivision. If you don’t like that, don’t buy a home there.
Does everyone realize that the school’s “acceptance” of Lindenwood’s land offer is a condition of final plat approval? That’s ridiculous governmental oversight. The school should be happy to get any land for free, let alone several acres at the ABA. From what I hear and read, Lindenwood has offered over 11 acres. Yet the school wants more time to “negotiate” a deal with Lindenwood because the land offer apparently isn’t good enough. That’s bull.
So go ahead, school administration. Call me “narrow-minded and cynical” but admit it: You have no business meddling in that housing project. You're a school, not Development Done Right. If you want more land for the school, then buy it. Don’t just strut around like Lindenwood owes you something.
Too bad cat and mouse is SO uninformed about how the real world functions!
To picking up pennies .... You ended your post by saying "I am watching you." Who is "you" that you are watching? And why are you watching them?
By all means, please TELL me, exactly how does the real world work and how are my comments uninformed? Provide specific details and evidence.
I am watching everyone who is negative toward making this area a nice place to live. This may mean that outsiders will have to come in to save our declining school and businesses. I don't like the people around here that are rude about new families choosing to relocate here. We need that to happen but not in a Lake Geneva way. I would love to patronize the businesses around here but what can I patronize? New blood means new business.
How are you watching people, and what are you going to do?
Picking up pennies - You said in your post of Sept. 24:
"I have met the people from Lindenwood and they are very nice. I am sure they will be very professional and honest to deal with. All you naysayers should get off your asses and get out and greet these people, instead of spreading untrue gossip about them. I now know where your favorite fishing hole is. I am watching you."
My question to you is - What do fishing holes have to do with the people of Lindenwood? Is there to be a fishing hole attached to their development?
pickin up pennies is clearly clueless.
"I know where your fishing hole is." This is just a phrase about how the people that live around here are reluctant to help or show people new to the area, all the nice things that they have discovered or learned over the years they have lived here. They do not want outsiders to share in the un-lake geneva like peacefulness of this area. So the new comers get tired after a couple years and they pull out and go somewhere else. That is the reason that real estate is the biggest business in town and will never change. That mine friends is the dis-funk-sion that lives here.If people stayed here and ran a good business that others patronized we could run all those real estate pusses out of our downtown. They can put up camp in the industrial park.
What did everyone think of the Homecoming festivities?
The Homecoming parade was completely unorganized - it took 30 minutes when it should have taken less than 15, with the parade stopping altogether several times along the route.
I think it stopped so that the band students could run back and get on other floats, etc.
No, it wasn't that - I mean they had to stop and wait for other floats/reps/etc. to even come down the hill from the school.
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